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And one day, the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition got together, and basically said, look, we can't go on with a country where we're having ever more people becoming heroin addicts.

Let's set up a panel of scientists and doctors to figure out what would genuinely solve the problem.

And anyone who is watching this anywhere in the world, this is happening. It doesn't happen; you will have noticed if your grandmother had a hip replacement, she didn't come out as a junkie.

And if what we believe about addiction is right — those people are exposed to all those chemical hooks — What should happen? (Laughter) And when I learned this, it seemed so weird to me, so contrary to everything I'd been told, everything I thought I knew, I just thought it couldn't be right, until I met a man called Bruce Alexander.

So I read loads of stuff about it, and I couldn't really find the answers I was looking for, so I thought, okay, I'll go and sit with different people around the world who lived this and studied this and talk to them and see if I could learn from them.

One of my earliest memories is of trying to wake up one of my relatives and not being able to.

And I was just a little kid, so I didn't really understand why, but as I got older, I realized we had drug addiction in my family, including later cocaine addiction.

So they do do residential rehab, they do psychological therapy, that does have some value.

But the biggest thing they did was the complete opposite of what we do: a massive program of job creation for addicts, and microloans for addicts to set up small businesses. When you're ready, they'll go to a garage, and they'll say, if you employ this guy for a year, we'll pay half his wages.

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